True-trac Possible Problem~!!!~

honeykeeper

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[quote name='krh2' post='140620' date='Feb 13 2009, 12:55 AM']PRolly this weekend bro... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/001.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />[/quote]



I think mine doesn't have any play either if I try it in park! lol.. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/009.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt009' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/001.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='krh2' post='140618' date='Feb 13 2009, 12:54 AM']Good to talk to you tonight. Hope I helped. You dont sound like I thought. My inlaws live around Gifford NC and have a heavy accent. You, my friend, sound Californian. LOL "Keep" us posted bro. I really think you have a bad TT not a bad install. JMO.[/quote]

Once you got it in neutral that confirmed it! My guess is that it's a cracked axle spline hub on the left side.....but it could be something else.

Good chatting with you too. No I don't sound like a North Carolinian....we'll see about the Californians!..... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />
 

honeykeeper

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Talked with Alex at PORC and told him the symptoms and he thinks my True-Trac is bad also. Just left a message with Brent at Eaton as Alex instructed me to do and waiting for the call back and hopefully they will have Alex send me a new True-Trac.

Now pricing out dial-indicators and might do the swap myself verses going to the shop if labor isn't covered under warranty.
 

mcginkleschmidt

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[quote name='honeykeeper' post='140660' date='Feb 13 2009, 12:10 PM']Talked with Alex at PORC and told him the symptoms and he thinks my True-Trac is bad also. Just left a message with Brent at Eaton as Alex instructed me to do and waiting for the call back and hopefully they will have Alex send me a new True-Trac.

Now pricing out dial-indicators and might do the swap myself verses going to the shop if labor isn't covered under warranty.[/quote]



I hope it all works out for you Keeper and I hope your problem is not foreboding for all of us True-Trac owners. If I get time I might jack my T up and check out if I have a similar problem.



It sucks that you might have to pay again for the labor for a re-installation but it seems like buying the dial indicators and possibly other tool might cost as much or more than the labor charge. You will need a press to mount the carrier bearing too. Would you be replacing the axle seals, spacers and bearings again? I don't even want to think about it.



But, hey, once you own all the required tools, True-Trac prospects can run up to Black Mountain and pay your for the installation.



Just as a added bit of pricing information, I noticed that PORC has raised their True-Trac price to $584.99 Link: http://www.performanceoffroadcenter.com/os...roducts_id=1420 I think Eaton is selling the Titan True-Trac as fast as they can make them. It appears there is about a 3-week backlog on deliveries. TitanCanuck can probably confirm if this is true for all TT online retailers.
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='mcginkleschmidt' post='140661' date='Feb 13 2009, 02:42 PM']I hope it all works out for you Keeper and I hope your problem is not foreboding for all of us True-Trac owners. If I get time I might jack my T up and check out if I have a similar problem.



It sucks that you might have to pay again for the labor for a re-installation but it seems like buying the dial indicators and possibly other tool might cost as much or more than the labor charge. You will need a press to mount the carrier bearing too. Would you be replacing the axle seals, spacers and bearings again? I don't even want to think about it.



But, hey, once you own all the required tools, True-Trac prospects can run up to Black Mountain and pay your for the installation.



Just as a added bit of pricing information, I noticed that PORC has raised their True-Trac price to $584.99 Link: http://www.performanceoffroadcenter.com/os...roducts_id=1420 I think Eaton is selling the Titan True-Trac as fast as they can make them. It appears there is about a 3-week backlog on deliveries. TitanCanuck can probably confirm if this is true for all TT online retailers.[/quote]



Well after talking with Brent and performing the test in PARK I got different results.........see my ADDENDUM in the first post. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />



Kev..........we need to talk again!.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/014.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='krh2' post='140599' date='Feb 12 2009, 10:54 PM']I thought your diff oil was WAY TO DARK for the amount of miles on your True-trac. Mine is still honey colored after 15k. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/009.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />[/quote]



When you installed True-Trac you had a new rear end right? <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />

In my case at 69K........the installer didn't swab out the axle tubes........that's where it came from.

With twice the differential oil and higher levels it had/has been swabbing out the axle tubes!...... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />

I talked with Alex at PORC about that and he said since mc's Titan was so freaking clean he decided to swab out the axle tubes and they were just as black as could be.....so that's where it came from on mine.....not the True-Trac.......mc should be happy when he reads this!...... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />
 

mcginkleschmidt

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[quote name='honeykeeper' post='140686' date='Feb 13 2009, 03:34 PM']When you installed True-Trac you had a new rear end right? <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' />

In my case at 69K........the installer didn't swab out the axle tubes........that's where it came from.

With twice the differential oil and higher levels it had/has been swabbing out the axle tubes!...... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' />

I talked with Alex at PORC about that and he said since mc's Titan was so freaking clean he decided to swab out the axle tubes and they were just as black as could be.....so that's where it came from on mine.....not the True-Trac.......mc should be happy when he reads this!...... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />[/quote]



Keeper, Alex did say that my diff lube was very black and that he did make the effort to clean and wash out the rear. As appreciative as I was that Alex did this, I had another problem that I have been following now for the past couple of weeks.



Fortunately, I don't think now it is a serious problem.....just a case of sloppiness. I'll continue to follow it.



Check it out here: http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/index.php?s...st&p=140694
 

danielk

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mmmmmm that really sucks.... i have read the post a few times not sure if i missed something but is there a reason y it went bad??? i know you dont even know for sure if it is but what manufactor error or something??? i mean these TT's dont normally break like that ...do they??
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='danielk' post='140701' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:19 PM']mmmmmm that really sucks.... i have read the post a few times not sure if i missed something but is there a reason y it went bad??? i know you dont even know for sure if it is but what manufactor error or something??? i mean these TT's dont normally break like that ...do they??[/quote]



I hate to tell you but Eaton said the metal actually stretches and can cause things to happen. The thread at CT discusses what Eaton said about stretching metal.

http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread...light=true-trac

Without sending it back to them they won't guess and I bet they also won't tell you what they found to be defective when they do get them back.

I'm more confident that mine is ok at the moment. Time will tell.



I'm going to call Alex on Monday and fill him in.
 

TitanCanuck

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Man you guys have me worrying like I don't know what....lmao



McG I got the true trac from PORC for the previous price of 579.99. When the package showed up it was just the bearings and races...I was like WTF?? but then i checked tracking again and it said that the package was still en route, so they shipped them separatly. That made me wonder if they were indeed on back order but I can only guess that PORC has a stock pile of them because there was no extra wate time for my true trac.



As for other retailers when I was checking the websites none of them mentioned that there may be extra wate time for a true trac.



Install goes down Monday, probly have it back Monday evening if not Tuesday....WOOT!!!



Glad to hear everyone's true tracs are doin good after a couple of scares....I hung out with Randy (RB's titan) today for a nismo header install and he told me that he switched back to Dino oil in his rear because the dudes at Eaton told him if there is a noise from the true trac then it is because of "Glazing" from synthetic diff oil. Right now I plan to get some Dino oil for the first 500-1000 miles and see how it goes, after that I still have not made up my mind as to what oil to run in the rear diff.
 

krh2

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[quote name='TitanCanuck' post='140725' date='Feb 13 2009, 06:27 PM']hung out with Randy (RB's titan) today for a nismo header install and he told me that he switched back to Dino oil in his rear because the dudes at Eaton told him if there is a noise from the true trac then it is because of "Glazing" from synthetic diff oil. Right now I plan to get some Dino oil for the first 500-1000 miles and see how it goes, after that I still have not made up my mind as to what oil to run in the rear diff.[/quote]



Hmmm.. HK? Mcg? I'm gonna stick with the 75-140 Syn for now. I do hear a very slight whine on the highway when I let off the gas..... How much difference can viscocity make on a hulk like the TT anyway? there are guys that have 20k+ on their TT's with Syn and no problems.. Meh, gonna run like ive been doin... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/002.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />
 

TitanCanuck

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[quote name='krh2' post='140727' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:30 PM']Hmmm.. HK? Mcg? I'm gonna stick with the 75-140 Syn for now. I do hear a very slight whine on the highway when I let off the gas..... How much difference can viscocity make on a hulk like the TT anyway? there are guys that have 20k+ on their TT's with Syn and no problems.. Meh, gonna run like ive been doin... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/002.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />[/quote]





I know, that's what doesn't make any sense to me....I'm probly gonna run synthetic until i hear a noise or sumthin....you can understand with all the threads going around how I'm confused as sh*t as to what to do. Oh well I'm puttin all my faith in Circle D transmission to do it right, they did good by Randy which is good for me!



Oh yeah, headers on a 4x4 are a PITA but I bet we can crank Steve's swap out in about 4-5hrs
 

mcginkleschmidt

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[quote name='TitanCanuck' post='140725' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:27 PM']Man you guys have me worrying like I don't know what....lmao



McG I got the true trac from PORC for the previous price of 579.99. When the package showed up it was just the bearings and races...I was like WTF?? but then i checked tracking again and it said that the package was still en route, so they shipped them separatly. That made me wonder if they were indeed on back order but I can only guess that PORC has a stock pile of them because there was no extra wate time for my true trac.



As for other retailers when I was checking the websites none of them mentioned that there may be extra wate time for a true trac.



Install goes down Monday, probly have it back Monday evening if not Tuesday....WOOT!!!



Glad to hear everyone's true tracs are doin good after a couple of scares....I hung out with Randy (RB's titan) today for a nismo header install and he told me that he switched back to Dino oil in his rear because the dudes at Eaton told him if there is a noise from the true trac then it is because of "Glazing" from synthetic diff oil. Right now I plan to get some Dino oil for the first 500-1000 miles and see how it goes, after that I still have not made up my mind as to what oil to run in the rear diff.[/quote]



Canuck, check your shipping tracking to find the True-Trac shipping point. I suspect that it was dropped shipped directly from Eaton instead of PORC out of the metro Atlanta area. Perhaps Alex shipped the races and bearing to you since he buys those in bulk but I would be very surprised if the TT came directly from PORC. There might be a few weeks delay in the TT shipment. It took about 3 weeks for me.



I'm surprised you didn't buy the TT from the 4X4 website in Florida since they had a lot lower price than PORC. Alex seems like a good guy so I'm glad you gave him your business.
 

krh2

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[quote name='TitanCanuck' post='140731' date='Feb 13 2009, 07:43 PM']I know, that's what doesn't make any sense to me....I'm probly gonna run synthetic until i hear a noise or sumthin....you can understand with all the threads going around how I'm confused as sh*t as to what to do. Oh well I'm puttin all my faith in Circle D transmission to do it right, they did good by Randy which is good for me!



Oh yeah, headers on a 4x4 are a PITA but I bet we can crank Steve's swap out in about 4-5hrs[/quote]



Originally Eaton said go with OEM specs... That is what im stickin with. I think either4 way the TT will outlast us all.. 4-5 hours? OMG! PICS Mofos!
 

TitanCanuck

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[quote name='mcginkleschmidt' post='140734' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:50 PM']Canuck, check your shipping tracking to find the True-Trac shipping point. I suspect that it was dropped shipped directly from Eaton instead of PORC out of the metro Atlanta area. Perhaps Alex shipped the races and bearing to you since he buys those in bulk but I would be very surprised if the TT came directly from PORC. There might be a few weeks delay in the TT shipment. It took about 3 weeks for me.



I'm surprised you didn't buy the TT from the 4X4 website in Florida since they had a lot lower price than PORC. Alex seems like a good guy so I'm glad you gave him your business.[/quote]



Looks like that's the case, just checked packing slip.....says right on it that TT was drop shipped.



As for purchasing, I found it all in one place and was willing to pay the price based on customer service that you and others have reported.
 

TitanCanuck

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[quote name='krh2' post='140735' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:52 PM']Originally Eaton said go with OEM specs... That is what im stickin with. I think either4 way the TT will outlast us all.. 4-5 hours? OMG! PICS Mofos![/quote]



Just me and Randy, no cameraman....he is one crazy SOB to take on that job by himself, he woulda had a hell of a time completing it himself.



back on topic...think im just gonna go with synthetic for diff fluid.
 

krh2

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[quote name='TitanCanuck' post='140738' date='Feb 13 2009, 07:59 PM']Just me and Randy, no cameraman....he is one crazy SOB to take on that job by himself, he woulda had a hell of a time completing it himself.



back on topic...think im just gonna go with synthetic for diff fluid.[/quote]



You know this RB guy is a legend! Kinda like big foot! I want pics etc when you guys do Steves manifold! OH, ya I agree 75-140 all the way!
 

Sftail1990

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[quote name='honeykeeper' post='140660' date='Feb 13 2009, 12:10 PM']Talked with Alex at PORC and told him the symptoms and he thinks my True-Trac is bad also. Just left a message with Brent at Eaton as Alex instructed me to do and waiting for the call back and hopefully they will have Alex send me a new True-Trac.

Now pricing out dial-indicators and might do the swap myself verses going to the shop if labor isn't covered under warranty.[/quote]





Hey Tom, there is more to this than just backlash and indicators, there is preload to consider as well. After you pulled the cover to install the Mag-Hytec your gear pattern wear was spot on, that tells me your depth of pinion is good and your backlash was right to start with. Make sure the adjuster bolts were tight and not worked loose as well. I am not sure how the preload thing works though, I haven't had time to learn what is going on with that but my mech for the rear said he set everything including that. That is something in that other thread that was touched upon as well. I am not even sure in theory how the TT works with the helical gears, and I wish I had more time to figure it out. There has to be preload on all the bearings correctly I know that, including the pinion bearing as well as the carrier ones too. I just don't know how to check it or know what the specs are for it. I would get that cover off and see if I could find anything out of the ordinary right away, also you are in contact with Eaton for their suggestions. With the bolt issue on the TT and now a possible bad one, could it be that Eaton's QA is going south? I sure hope that is not the case, but the problems that have arisen lately give credence to the thought. I am not pointing fingers, but this issue of synth vs. dino should not be an issue as far as I am concerned. I just cannot see any reason why synth could be an issue. The installation books says OEM, no reason to doubt that, and OEM is synth on mine. Grasping straws with using dino with no explanation as to why is not good enough for me. Prove to me that dino is the stuff and synth is a problem. Now back to the original thread I semi-jacked there for a bit. I would inspect that thing ASAP. Let me know what you find, and I will be reading here as well.
 
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