Slip Slip Slip

Stennis

New Member
OK I have a 06 LE 2wd with ABLS. Which means I have no switch to deactivate the traction control system. This is causing me a problem at my favorite boat launch. It is a privately owned launch and is very steep for a boat launch, but it is near my favorite fishing holes.. When I load the boat up on the trailer and proceed to pull out my rear wheels start to slip, no matter how much throttle I give it. I can floor it or just barely tap the pedal. The problem is when the ABLS kicks in. It kills my engine power to the point where I loose twice as much ground that I gained. Thus putting my truck closer to the water. I have had to be pulled out by the old mans tractor three times.. He even ask me now when I show up, "what time will you be back so I can have the tractor ready." It really puts a hole in your heart when you have one of the best trucks on the market, but it don't get the job done.



I have spoke to my mechanic at the service center and he has no good answer on how to deactivate it on demand. He says you would need a whole new braking system. He wants to mod my truck by he is worried about the warranty, and he wont give me his ideas, he just beats around the bush.... He has a 04 that runs the low 14's on the track...



Anyways any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated....
 

mcginkleschmidt

Active Member
[quote name='Stennis' post='133864' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:39 PM']OK I have a 06 LE 2wd with ABLS. Which means I have no switch to deactivate the traction control system. This is causing me a problem at my favorite boat launch. It is a privately owned launch and is very steep for a boat launch, but it is near my favorite fishing holes.. When I load the boat up on the trailer and proceed to pull out my rear wheels start to slip, no matter how much throttle I give it. I can floor it or just barely tap the pedal. The problem is when the ABLS kicks in. It kills my engine power to the point where I loose twice as much ground that I gained. Thus putting my truck closer to the water. I have had to be pulled out by the old mans tractor three times.. He even ask me now when I show up, "what time will you be back so I can have the tractor ready." It really puts a hole in your heart when you have one of the best trucks on the market, but it don't get the job done.



I have spoke to my mechanic at the service center and he has no good answer on how to deactivate it on demand. He says you would need a whole new braking system. He wants to mod my truck by he is worried about the warranty, and he wont give me his ideas, he just beats around the bush.... He has a 04 that runs the low 14's on the track...



Anyways any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated....[/quote]



I don't have any help or suggestions but I can give you a link to a little musical accompaniment to help you deal with the problem: <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt001' />



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6Zx_fzpq8



I'm sorry I couldn't be of any more help. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />
 

d0va

New Member
just disconnect it, you can either pull the fuse, or disconnect it under the dash, dont ask me where but look for the burn out mod, that should do it....
 

krh2

Administrator
[quote name='Stennis' post='133864' date='Oct 6 2008, 06:39 PM']OK I have a 06 LE 2wd with ABLS. Which means I have no switch to deactivate the traction control system. This is causing me a problem at my favorite boat launch. It is a privately owned launch and is very steep for a boat launch, but it is near my favorite fishing holes.. When I load the boat up on the trailer and proceed to pull out my rear wheels start to slip, no matter how much throttle I give it. I can floor it or just barely tap the pedal. The problem is when the ABLS kicks in. It kills my engine power to the point where I loose twice as much ground that I gained. Thus putting my truck closer to the water. I have had to be pulled out by the old mans tractor three times.. He even ask me now when I show up, "what time will you be back so I can have the tractor ready." It really puts a hole in your heart when you have one of the best trucks on the market, but it don't get the job done.



I have spoke to my mechanic at the service center and he has no good answer on how to deactivate it on demand. He says you would need a whole new braking system. He wants to mod my truck by he is worried about the warranty, and he wont give me his ideas, he just beats around the bush.... He has a 04 that runs the low 14's on the track...



Anyways any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated....[/quote]



Huh? I just hit the VDC button to "off" done deal... Oh truetrac also.





[quote name='TitanCanuck' post='133867' date='Oct 6 2008, 07:31 PM']I'm not sure there is a way to disable the ABLS...but you could always install a tru trac....[/quote]



I think you have it. Pull the fuse (pita) or find the wire and put a toggle switch in..... Let us know Stennis..
 

honeykeeper

New Member
How about adjust the boat on the trailer forward to give it a little more tongue weight?.......might be able to get more weight on the rear of your Titan to get the traction needed. Good luck.
 

Stennis

New Member
[quote name='d0va' post='133868' date='Oct 6 2008, 09:34 PM']just disconnect it, you can either pull the fuse, or disconnect it under the dash, dont ask me where but look for the burn out mod, that should do it....[/quote]



I talked witht the mechanic at the Nissan shop and we both agreed that the burn out mod would not work on my truck. All that mod does is break the signal from the brake pedal to the engine to fool it that the brake is not being applied. And we talked about putting a on off switch to disalbe on demand "kinda like pulling the fuse" but he said that the whole brake system would fail because it is all tied together.. I have a 06 which has a different braking system then all the other year models.... I guess they were looking for a fix for the 04 problems... If I had 4wd then I would have a different system as well with a VDC switch. When my slip feature activates, the system kills engine power PLUS adds braking power to other wheels to try and control the slip.. The smart thing nissan could have done was make a "floor" as to a certain speed that would actually activate the system. Say the system would not activate unless at least three wheels are turning at 10mph....
 

Stennis

New Member
Huh? I just hit the VDC button to "off" done deal... Oh truetrac also.


I wish I had the VDC switch. That would solve all my problems. My wife has it on her pathfinder, and I have used the VDC switch in similar situations..
 

Stennis

New Member
[quote name='honeykeeper' post='133893' date='Oct 7 2008, 07:05 AM']How about adjust the boat on the trailer forward to give it a little more tongue weight?.......might be able to get more weight on the rear of your Titan to get the traction needed. Good luck.[/quote]





I wish it was that simple, but the trailer is formed for the bottom of the boat. and each runner has it place on the hull. There is only about 4 inches from center that I have room to play with, and that wouldnt help much..
 

TitanCanuck

New Member
I guess my 4x4 is different but I have pulled a boat up a launch a few times for a buddy in 2wd and when I slip the ABLS doesn't do what your explaining....the light comes on but it doesn't cut power?



Is it different for 4x4 I wonder?
 

TitanCanuck

New Member
[quote name='krh2' post='133883' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:10 PM']I think you have it. Pull the fuse (pita) or find the wire and put a toggle switch in..... Let us know Stennis..[/quote]





I'm not real sure that the burnout mod actually disables the ABLS...it just tricks the system to think that the brake is not applied when really it is.....
 

honeykeeper

New Member
[quote name='Stennis' post='133899' date='Oct 7 2008, 08:23 AM']I wish it was that simple, but the trailer is formed for the bottom of the boat. and each runner has it place on the hull. There is only about 4 inches from center that I have room to play with, and that wouldnt help much..[/quote]

Well if the roller/brackets aren't adjustable the next simplest step is to have your crew sit on the bow of your boat and on your trailer tongue........ <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/009.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />

Sounds like it's time for a trade-in on a 4x4 Titan....problem solved... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/001.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt002' />
 

d0va

New Member
I have an 06 is 4x4 but Im sure the system is the same.



Try disconnecting the fuse to see if it would work, cause when I had one my abs sensor not working(slip light on and brake light on) I was able to do a badazz 1 tire burnout w/out the traction control kick in. :)
 

krh2

Administrator
[quote name='Stennis' post='133899' date='Oct 7 2008, 05:23 AM']I wish it was that simple, but the trailer is formed for the bottom of the boat. and each runner has it place on the hull. There is only about 4 inches from center that I have room to play with, and that wouldnt help much..[/quote]





Yep, you can only winch it up so far.... But you can leave it hanging off the back of the trailer if you are the villiage idiot... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt023' />
 

swarren1

New Member
Does ABLS cut back the engine? I don't think it does. I know VDC does, (like Kevin said yesterday i think), but mine doesn't have VDC because of the locker. Although, I think I remember nissanusa.com having the locker and VDC available on later models years, but they've been wrong about their products before. Lol
 

honeykeeper

New Member
[quote name='swarren1' post='133954' date='Oct 7 2008, 11:37 PM']Does ABLS cut back the engine? I don't think it does. I know VDC does, (like Kevin said yesterday i think), but mine doesn't have VDC because of the locker. Although, I think I remember nissanusa.com having the locker and VDC available on later models years, but they've been wrong about their products before. Lol[/quote]

Yep........ABLS is the brakes only.....must be something else cutting power back.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/009.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' /> If the engine gets too hot it will do that.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt023' />
 

Stennis

New Member
[quote name='d0va' post='133936' date='Oct 7 2008, 07:44 PM']I have an 06 is 4x4 but Im sure the system is the same.



Try disconnecting the fuse to see if it would work, cause when I had one my abs sensor not working(slip light on and brake light on) I was able to do a badazz 1 tire burnout w/out the traction control kick in. :)[/quote]





Ok I disconnected the fuse and had all kind of stuff light up. Brake Light, slip Light, even the engine check light. I tried to drive it like that but engine had no power.... I alos took the relay out. the fuse seemed to only control the "lights" to the brakes ....
 

Stennis

New Member
[quote name='honeykeeper' post='133958' date='Oct 8 2008, 07:14 AM']Yep........ABLS is the brakes only.....must be something else cutting power back.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/009.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' /> If the engine gets too hot it will do that.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />[/quote]





My brake system and VDC system found on other year models are a "all in one package" the computer senses the slip then sends signals to the other brakes (depending on wheel speed of the other 3 wheels) and also decreases engine power so it can assist in controling the truck... remember I have a 2wd the 4X4 still have the original brake and VDC system...My system (without a override button) would be completly useless in the mud....
 

TitanGuy

New Member
I would install a True Trak, or adding some wieght to the bed of your truck when pulling out the trailer should help too.
 

krh2

Administrator
[quote name='TitanGuy' post='134468' date='Oct 16 2008, 01:19 PM']I would install a True Trak, or adding some wieght to the bed of your truck when pulling out the trailer should help too.[/quote]





I dont think Trutrac and vdc will work. I was showing off one night after work to some Ee's and this is what happend.



From a stop i put it in N then hit my burn out mod switch.. Hit the brake and rev it to 3k, let off the brake and gun it.... Fishtailed for maybe 20 yds then my whole dash lit up, and my engine dropped to idle and my truck was in neutral even though the column shifter said "D".....Why? I forgot to turn off the VDC... Turns out it was a good thing this night as I was fishtailin I was headed for a curb. VDC saved my arse by shuttin me down. Lesson: TT is fun but be sure to have penty of lateral space.. LOL.....
 
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