Simple Green Car Wash Concentrate

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  • Definitely Recommend

    Votes: 6 100.0%
  • Probably Recommend

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Neither Recommend or Discourage

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  • Definitely Discourage

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  • Total voters
    6

BLWedge09

Administrator
Picked this up at Wal-Mart the weekend before last to use until I got some more of the Meguiar's NXT Tech Wash. I don't see any need to get the Meguiar's now. This stuff is great and lives up to the Simple Green reputation. Greats sudsing, cleans great and smells great to boot! Good overall value and is completely safe to use around plants, grass, etc.
 

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honeykeeper

New Member
I've only used "Simple Green" to "engulf/eat" fuel spills on waterways when working on the "water world".

I use some milder "eco-soaps" and a soft brush for most cleaning jobs on my Home & Titan.

Sounds like it's corrosive on aluminium vehicle/plane metals?.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />

Wonder if it strips wax finishes?..Is the "ALL NEW" different? <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/017.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheers:' />



Interesting read:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-4117.html



Subject: Simple Green & Aluminum Mountain Bikes



" Presented for your consideration" :

>

> I've seen a number of postings from mountain bikers that

> use Simple Green to clean their bikes and/or components.

> I myself used it as a general cleaner/degreaser on my bike

> but have discontinued the practice since I came across

> reports that the US Army and Air Force had prohibited its

> use on their aircraft and other equipment. Now you can

> think what you like about the Army and Air Force or even

> the US government in general, but when it comes down to

> taking care of its equipment, they have a pretty good

> record.


>

> The AOPA (Airplane Owners and Operators Association) has

> also come out recommending against its use. Airplanes

> constitue a pretty big investment and they are not cheap

> to repair and maintain. The AOPA is a private group not

> usually given to putting out bad advice to their members.

>

> Aviation-grade aluminum is pretty expensive stuff. The

> paint used in painting aircraft is usually very high

> quality and much more durable than auto paint, and

> probably the paint used to on bicycles. I don't have

> any credentials in metallurgy but I do know that aluminum

> bike frames in particular are touted as being high-grade

> aluminum. Other components are made of aluminum as well,

> like cassettes and handlebars. I also seem to remember

> the words 'aviation grade' used in describing the

> materials used in some bicycle parts.

>

> So between the the US Army, the US Air Force, and the

> AOPA, I think their advice on this issue is worth

> considering. There are enough other products available

> that do as good or better job than Simple Green that this

> should not be a showstopper for anyone.


>

>

> Below are excerpts of some of the information available

> on the web:

>

> Aircraft Cleaners

>

> Simple Green and other cleaners that are not listed in the

> Technical Manuals are taboo for a very good reason - they

> hurt the metal used to build the machine.

>

> It has been brought to the attention of the U.S. Army

> Aviation Missile Command (AMCOM) Depot Maintenance

> Engineering Team that numerous units are using the

> commercial product SIMPLE GREEN as an aircraft wash.

> STOP! This product has been through Department of Defense

> (DOD) testing and was determined to be highly corrosive

> on aircraft aluminum and also a catalyst for Hydrogen

> Embrittlement in high strength aircraft alloys.

>

> While a highly effective cleaning agent for floors and

> non-aluminum / non-high strength alloy vehicles this

> product is not approved for aviation usage.


If your unit has been using SIMPLE GREEN on a regular basis, it is

> recommended that a thorough fresh water wash with the

> approved cleaners per the appropriate airframe maintenance

> manuals be accomplished as soon as practicable. This

> should be followed up with a corrosion inspection /

> treatment and application of approved Corrosion

> Prevention Compounds (CPCs).

>

> Mr. Richard Cardinale, [email protected]

> (361)961-4041, DSN 861-4041

>

> http://safety.army.mil/pages/lessonslearne...mplegreens.html

> ============================

>

> AOPA advised caution with any cleaner and stated that "No

> cleaner should be left on an aircraft for an extended

> period; any cleaner should be promptly and thoroughly

> rinsed off the airframe with water."

>

> It's Simple -- Don't Use This To Clean Aluminum

>

> A well-known aviation magazine this month published a

> feature article on cleaning one's aircraft and getting

> it ready for spring flying. Only one problem -- a product

> the article recommended as safe for aviation use has been

> proven corrosive to aluminum. The product is Simple Green,

> a popular household cleaning liquid. According to the

> magazine's May issue -- which included a photo of Simple

> Green and other products -- the liquid "does an admirable

> job for a fraction of the cost of the aviation cleaners."

> While that may be true as far as it goes, both the U.S.

> Air Force and the U.S. Army have conducted tests of Simple

> Green and strongly urge that it not be used to clean

> aluminum structures.

In one test conducted by the U.S.

> Air Force, results from which were published in 1989,

> aluminum alloy samples were immersed in Simple Green for

> a week then removed, cleaned and weighed. The results

> indicated that the approximately 3.5-gram aluminum alloy

> samples experienced a material loss of about 31 milligrams

> in a diluted solution and a whopping 295 milligram loss

> after spending a week in the undiluted liquid.

The Air Force report summed it up this way: "We do not recommend the use of this product on Air Force equipment containing aluminum." Good advice, that.




You know what they say..."if it's good enough for the government/military it's good enough for me" ! lol... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt018' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />
 

BLWedge09

Administrator
[quote name='honeykeeper' post='109081' date='Aug 1 2007, 06:11 PM']I've only used "Simple Green" to "engulf/eat" fuel spills on waterways when working on the "water world".

I use some milder "eco-soaps" and a soft brush for most cleaning jobs on my Home & Titan.

Sounds like it's corrosive on aluminium vehicle/plane metals?.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />

Wonder if it strips wax finishes?.. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/017.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheers:' />



Interesting read:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-4117.html



Subject: Simple Green & Aluminum Mountain Bikes



" Presented for your consideration" :

>

> I've seen a number of postings from mountain bikers that

> use Simple Green to clean their bikes and/or components.

> I myself used it as a general cleaner/degreaser on my bike

> but have discontinued the practice since I came across

> reports that the US Army and Air Force had prohibited its

> use on their aircraft and other equipment. Now you can

> think what you like about the Army and Air Force or even

> the US government in general, but when it comes down to

> taking care of its equipment, they have a pretty good

> record.


>

> The AOPA (Airplane Owners and Operators Association) has

> also come out recommending against its use. Airplanes

> constitue a pretty big investment and they are not cheap

> to repair and maintain. The AOPA is a private group not

> usually given to putting out bad advice to their members.

>

> Aviation-grade aluminum is pretty expensive stuff. The

> paint used in painting aircraft is usually very high

> quality and much more durable than auto paint, and

> probably the paint used to on bicycles. I don't have

> any credentials in metallurgy but I do know that aluminum

> bike frames in particular are touted as being high-grade

> aluminum. Other components are made of aluminum as well,

> like cassettes and handlebars. I also seem to remember

> the words 'aviation grade' used in describing the

> materials used in some bicycle parts.

>

> So between the the US Army, the US Air Force, and the

> AOPA, I think their advice on this issue is worth

> considering. There are enough other products available

> that do as good or better job than Simple Green that this

> should not be a showstopper for anyone.


>

>

> Below are excerpts of some of the information available

> on the web:

>

> Aircraft Cleaners

>

> Simple Green and other cleaners that are not listed in the

> Technical Manuals are taboo for a very good reason - they

> hurt the metal used to build the machine.

>

> It has been brought to the attention of the U.S. Army

> Aviation Missile Command (AMCOM) Depot Maintenance

> Engineering Team that numerous units are using the

> commercial product SIMPLE GREEN as an aircraft wash.

> STOP! This product has been through Department of Defense

> (DOD) testing and was determined to be highly corrosive

> on aircraft aluminum and also a catalyst for Hydrogen

> Embrittlement in high strength aircraft alloys.

>

> While a highly effective cleaning agent for floors and

> non-aluminum / non-high strength alloy vehicles this

> product is not approved for aviation usage.


If your unit has been using SIMPLE GREEN on a regular basis, it is

> recommended that a thorough fresh water wash with the

> approved cleaners per the appropriate airframe maintenance

> manuals be accomplished as soon as practicable. This

> should be followed up with a corrosion inspection /

> treatment and application of approved Corrosion

> Prevention Compounds (CPCs).

>

> Mr. Richard Cardinale, [email protected]

> (361)961-4041, DSN 861-4041

>

> http://safety.army.mil/pages/lessonslearne...mplegreens.html

> ============================

>

> AOPA advised caution with any cleaner and stated that "No

> cleaner should be left on an aircraft for an extended

> period; any cleaner should be promptly and thoroughly

> rinsed off the airframe with water."

>

> It's Simple -- Don't Use This To Clean Aluminum

>

> A well-known aviation magazine this month published a

> feature article on cleaning one's aircraft and getting

> it ready for spring flying. Only one problem -- a product

> the article recommended as safe for aviation use has been

> proven corrosive to aluminum. The product is Simple Green,

> a popular household cleaning liquid. According to the

> magazine's May issue -- which included a photo of Simple

> Green and other products -- the liquid "does an admirable

> job for a fraction of the cost of the aviation cleaners."

> While that may be true as far as it goes, both the U.S.

> Air Force and the U.S. Army have conducted tests of Simple

> Green and strongly urge that it not be used to clean

> aluminum structures.

In one test conducted by the U.S.

> Air Force, results from which were published in 1989,

> aluminum alloy samples were immersed in Simple Green for

> a week then removed, cleaned and weighed. The results

> indicated that the approximately 3.5-gram aluminum alloy

> samples experienced a material loss of about 31 milligrams

> in a diluted solution and a whopping 295 milligram loss

> after spending a week in the undiluted liquid.

The Air Force report summed it up this way: "We do not recommend the use of this product on Air Force equipment containing aluminum." Good advice, that.




You know what they say..."if it's good enough for the government/military it's good enough for me" ! lol... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt018' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' />[/quote]



I feel pretty certain that the car wash concentrate is a completely different formulation than regular Simple Green. I mean come on, this stuff is made specifically for washing cars whereas the regular simple green is for many other purposes.
 

honeykeeper

New Member
[quote name='BLWedge09' post='109082' date='Aug 1 2007, 07:18 PM']I feel pretty certain that the car wash concentrate is a completely different formulation than regular Simple Green. I mean come on, this stuff is made specifically for washing cars whereas the regular simple green is for many other purposes.[/quote]

Now I see that when I pull up your pic. of the "CAR WASH-CONCENTRATE".

Of course your thread title also listed the "CAR-WASH CONCENTRATE" Simple Green...oopsy!... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/107.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheers:' />

I guess I've only used the "original" formula!

Apparently there is at least two-three types of Simple Green...didn't want to lose those gov. contracts! <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt017' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/001.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt018' />

"Dear Lennard,

My name is Denise Dochnahl and I work for Simple Green.
I'm writing because I recently read a posting about someone leaving his bike chain soaking in undiluted Simple Green for five months, and then having the chain disintegrate on them. I also read that something similar happened to someone else, after having left his chain in undiluted Simple Green for just two weeks.



I have received comments from other bicycle enthusiasts that have tried a new Simple Green product on their bikes and bike parts, and have had great success with it. The product is a little bit different - it was designed specifically for the aircraft industry, and has heightened non-corrosive properties. It has passed Pratt-Whitney specs and Boeing specs, as well as other testing protocols. This is very likely a much better product to use for the applications I read about on VeloNews.



While Original Simple Green is an excellent all-purpose cleaner/degreaser, it was not designed for long-term storage of bike chains or other parts. While we stand by the efficacy of the product, and believe it to be an excellent cleaner for bikes and bike parts, we feel we must stress the importance of using the product according to the label instructions. Under no circumstances should anything be stored in any formula of Simple Green.



The new product, called Extreme Simple Green Aircraft & Precision Cleaner, has heightened non-corrosive qualities, making it perhaps more suitable for high-tech bike alloys, painted surfaces, rubber and plastic parts. To date we have only promoted this product in the aviation industry. If it turns out to be better for bicycles and bike parts as well, then we'd certainly like to let people know about that."

Denise Dochnahl

Marketing Specialist

Simple Green




Here's the new formula for autos:



http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_prod_wash.php



New Simple Green® Car Wash cleaner is the latest addition to its line of environmentally-safer cleaning products. Perfect for the automotive professional or enthusiast, Simple Green Car Wash is custom blended to remove the toughest dirt and grease making automotive surfaces shine.

After listening our customers’ demands, we used the latest technological advances to create a formula that is gentle enough to clean delicate automotive surfaces yet is a highly effective and biodegradable cleaner, the signature traits of regular Simple Green All-Purpose Cleaner.



Simple Green Car Wash produces a thick and rich foaming lather that effectively lifts-off road soils during washing-without dulling or stripping away waxed surfaces. It also rinses clean, which will leave your car streak-free and give it that brilliant showroom finish!



With its retail start in the automotive business, Simple Green goes back to its roots by providing effective, environmentally-safer cleaning products for the automotive care industry.



Where to Use

Simple Green Car Wash cleaner is specially formulated to gently clean the toughest automotive dirt, grime, grease, bug stains and much more from: cars, trucks, SUV’s, RV’s, vans, campers, motor homes, motorcycles, ATV’s, trailers and other automotive surfaces.



The concentrated formula safely cleans: paint, clear coat, windows, metal chrome, rubber, canvas and vinyl.




Material Safety Data Sheet

Download the MSDS related to this product (requires Adobe Acrobat Reader).



Question on our New Car Wash or Automotive Cleaning Products?

Have a question? Need more information? Check out our Frequently Asked Questions section for detailed information about Simple Green products, applications, cleaning instructions and other helpful tips.
 

patrick

New Member
[quote name='BLWedge09' post='109080' date='Aug 1 2007, 05:25 PM']Picked this up at Wal-Mart the weekend before last to use until I got some more of the Meguiar's NXT Tech Wash. I don't see any need to get the Meguiar's now. This stuff is great and lives up to the Simple Green reputation. Greats sudsing, cleans great and smells great to boot! Good overall value and is completely safe to use around plants, grass, etc.[/quote]





Ditto, I have been using this for awhile now
 

scottsbro23

New Member
[quote name='patrick' post='109095' date='Aug 1 2007, 08:24 PM']Ditto, I have been using this for awhile now[/quote]





Same here... I like it.
 
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