Electronic Brake Control switch

George K

New Member
I purchased a new Travel Trailer yesterday and when I left the dealership I traveled on flat roads for about three hundred miles driving at an average speed of 55-60mph. Once I reached the mountains of WV I started to notice that my new camper's brakes didn't seem to be engaging properly. I am completely new to campers and all of the "extras and upgrades" needed to ensure that one works properly. I had paid the camper dealership for an equalizer system and a brake control switch installed etc. Since I have no idea what a brake control system looks like or how it works, I assumed that the harness coming from the travel trailer that plugs into my Titan's towing hitch was the "Brake control switch." To make a long story short, I stopped and called a buddy of mine who is a "weekend" mechanic and he told me that the brake switch should have been installed under the dash and that I should also have a device to adjust my trailer brakes. My friend said, "man, when you put the brakes on a trailer, it should stop your truck." I went to Auto Zone with my truck info. and they sold me a brake switch and assured me that it would work. It didn't. Looking at my trucks harness under the dash, I have found two "plug ins" that look identical. they have a white piece of tape that says electric brake switch. It looks like I almost need some type of "pig tail" to plug into these plug ins, then plug these into the other end of the system. According to the travel trailer dealership, they have a universal brake switch that works on all trucks but I don't think that is completely accurate because Auto Zone sold me an $85.00 dollar univeral fit brake switch that is no where remotely close to fitting. My owners manuel is very confusing to following about this. Does anyone have any info. that could help me remedy this problem? I managed to get my camper home last night (35foot Forest River Surveyor) with only the brakes of my Titan. I thinks this speaks volumes for the Titan's abilities but I really need to get the brakes working on the camper and I need to find the parts for my truck. My truck is a 2006 model 4x4.
 

DevilDawg

New Member
George,



Sentence structure PLEASE... The above makes my eyes bleed trying to read it. Now on to your issues. You have more than one.



You have possibly bought more trailer than you should have for any half ton truck. Additionally, if the RV dealership told you they hooked up a brake controller and didnt, they can be held accountable in court and should be. They clearly charged you for this in the "equalizer hitch, brake control, etc" you mentioned. I hope you know not to EVER give this dealer any future busines or refer anyone to them. They should have given you a full walkthru on your new RV and this includes how tohook it up and work the braking system.



You can buy the items required from any Nissan dealer. You need a wiring adapter harness and two relays. All previous attempts wouldn't work without the two relays under the hood. you might get lucky and find the wiring adapter under the passenger side seat, or in the glove box.



Good Luck and research that trailer as well as the safe towing limits of our trucks. There is no amount of bragging rights worth MY Families safety to me, how say you?



Welcome to the Spot and I hope this helps some.





ETA: if you purchased a newer 35ft travel trailer, and your Titan is a NON-Big Tow, you are maxed out with the trailer alone. Nevermind camping gear and people..
 

George K

New Member
[quote name='DevilDawg' timestamp='1301244276' post='160343']

George,



Sentence structure PLEASE... The above makes my eyes bleed trying to read it. Now on to your issues. You have more than one.



You have possibly bought more trailer than you should have for any half ton truck. Additionally, if the RV dealership told you they hooked up a brake controller and didnt, they can be held accountable in court and should be. They clearly charged you for this in the "equalizer hitch, brake control, etc" you mentioned. I hope you know not to EVER give this dealer any future busines or refer anyone to them. They should have given you a full walkthru on your new RV and this includes how tohook it up and work the braking system.



You can buy the items required from any Nissan dealer. You need a wiring adapter harness and two relays. All previous attempts wouldn't work without the two relays under the hood. you might get lucky and find the wiring adapter under the passenger side seat, or in the glove box.



Good Luck and research that trailer as well as the safe towing limits of our trucks. There is no amount of bragging rights worth MY Families safety to me, how say you?



Welcome to the Spot and I hope this helps some.





ETA: if you purchased a newer 35ft travel trailer, and your Titan is a NON-Big Tow, you are maxed out with the trailer alone. Nevermind camping gear and people..

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George K

New Member
I apologize about the sentence structure issues. I was unaware that I was being graded for grammar.



I do not attempt to measure my manhood through my trucks towing limits. (I am very secure in who I am. If I was wanting to "Brag" I would have purchased a diesel duelly.) I have a wife and two small children who I would never place in harms way. I have completed extensive research; contacting Nissan, speaking with my dealership, etc. about the towing capabalities of my truck. According to the owner's manuel and my local dealership, my truck's towing capacity is listed at 9400lbs. The Nissan representative further informed me that my truck was capable of towing heavier loads but the weight restrictions were put in place for warranty reasons.



The above useless tidbit of information was documented in order to discuss the non-topic related comments made about my writing ability and the raging desire to endanger my family. (In order to brag to someone?)



I have recently completed a two year, nation wide search for a camper that would meet my families needs while not overtaxing my vehicle's towing capacities. The specific travel trailer I have just purchased is the Forest River Surveroy 304 ultra-lite addition. The manufacturer lists this model's dry weight at 6300lbs. Fully loaded, (fluids, clothing, supplies, family. etc) this will not even come close to 9400lbs. (I am educated enough to realize that water weighs approx. 8lbs. per gallon.)



Concerning the legal issues surrounding the dealership who did not install the brake switch I paid for; I agree. I could have seriously injured my wife or myself while pulling this camper. My truck pulled the camper so easily that I did not realize that I had no brakes on the unit until almost 300 miles down the road. (I know some of you are probably thinking-"dumb hillbilly don't know what brakes feel like.") I have been trained as a professional driver by the West Virginia State Police through the BSR Racing school. The trailer stopped so easily that I simply assumed the little "extra" braking distance needed during my trip was a normal event. (You must realize, I have never pulled a camper before yesterday.) The dealer who sold me the camper called me and repeatedly apologized for the mistake. They have assured me that they would send me the parts needed and pay any expenses I might incur while having them installed. I made the dealer very aware of the legal issues involved with sending someone out onto the interstate with a vehicle that is illegal and extremely dangerous. Since no true damages were incurred and the dealer plans to resolve this issue, there is no grounds for civil litigation. (I have a degree in criminal justice, another degree in police science, and a regents in education.) Had my wife or I been injured, it may have been a different story.



The dealer provided a full walk thru of the camper, they worked on my truck and informed me that I was "finished and ready to go." The dealer seemed to be very nice and the camper that I purchased retailed for $33,500. My final purchase price was $20, 995. before taxes. (This included the equilizer hitch and brake controller switch installed.)



I am extremely pleased with the camper. I am thoroughly convinced and reassured through Nissan that my truck can easily pull the camper. I have affirmed/confirmed their assuring promises by towing this camper 397 miles w/o brakes.



None of this was really relevant or necessary. I simply wanted to know what type of wiring I needed, where I could get it, and how hard it would be to install the wiring myself. (Thats how I say.)



Lastly, Do some research on travel trailers. The newer models are much lighter. I found a 38 foot travel trailer (ultra-lite) that weights 6,900lbs. Also, I do own a "Big Tow." My Titan has been slightly modified with a Brute Force Cold Air Intake and a Magna Flow Exhaust system. I equipped my truck with these "after factory" accessories along with heavy duty Ray Bestos brakes.
 

DevilDawg

New Member
Good. Got your attention.



The wiring they should have used and relays required are at Any Nissan dealer. You didn't specify on either the truck or the trailer. Very wide range of possibilities out there. Most of which show a forest river having a dry weight of 7500lbs. Which happens to be the max for a non-big tow Titan. A bit more information takes the guess work out of it.



You might have had that in there, but as one long run-on sentence who could tell.



As to the dealer paying for your parts to be shipped and all expenses incurred. I suggest having the truck brakes inspected just in case. You might have shaved a few extra miles off of them trying to stop that trailer. Once you get the brake controller installed the shop should show you how to use it, and adjust to the changing environments..



Traffic, weather, etc. Typically they have a power and a reaction time adjustment. Set power halfway and then fine tune from there. Set the reaction time to have a 1second or so delay. Adjust to your taste.



Hope this helps
 

George K

New Member
[quote name='DevilDawg' timestamp='1301274708' post='160346']

Good. Got your attention.



The wiring they should have used and relays required are at Any Nissan dealer. You didn't specify on either the truck or the trailer. Very wide range of possibilities out there. Most of which show a forest river having a dry weight of 7500lbs. Which happens to be the max for a non-big tow Titan. A bit more information takes the guess work out of it.



You might have had that in there, but as one long run-on sentence who could tell.



As to the dealer paying for your parts to be shipped and all expenses incurred. I suggest having the truck brakes inspected just in case. You might have shaved a few extra miles off of them trying to stop that trailer. Once you get the brake controller installed the shop should show you how to use it, and adjust to the changing environments..



Traffic, weather, etc. Typically they have a power and a reaction time adjustment. Set power halfway and then fine tune from there. Set the reaction time to have a 1second or so delay. Adjust to your taste.



Hope this helps

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George K

New Member
You are correct.



Coincidentally, the dealer contacted me this morning via email inquiring specifically what type of Titan I owned. Hopefully, they will have the wiring harness I need w/o me having to take my truck into a Nissan dealership.



I have spoken with a mechanic who has informed me that he can replace my factory wiring plug with an after market wiring harness if I can't get the exact wiring that my Titan requires.



I absolutely agree with the idea of excessive wear on my brakes. I have recently replaced my brake pads with heavy duty Ray Bestos brakes pads; however, my rotors have 86,000 miles on them and I am sure that the extra work they received from the long trip home w/o any trailer brakes has probably "finished them off."
 

DevilDawg

New Member
the wiring harness from the Titan to the brake controller is universal to all Titans. The relays are also the same for all Titans. Every dealership should have thme in stock. Should being the key word there. If I recall correctly there is five wires hanging off the other end of the plug. Labelled and color coordinated. Easy to hook up.
 

krh2

Administrator
George, excuse DD hehe. His way of getting a point across usually involves very witty sarcasm. He means well and really knowshis stuff. What kind of controller did they install? I have a Prodigy P3 and it was plug and play with the Nissan harness, $112 for the P3 and $12 for the harness. Even came with a dvd to show you how to calibrate your brakes. BTW, my 25' Aljo is 7k loaded/wet. Your trailer is light, love it. Good luck and TOW IN 4th. Remember RPM's are your friend. If tranny starts to get warm drop it down a gear. Keeping it above 3k up grade is heaven (though not on gas).



Oh, welcome to the Spot! Hope my "Dawg" didnt scare ya off, great peeps here. If not I would not have hung out for 7 years and counting. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt002' />
 

George K

New Member
Thanks.



Actually, the dealer whom I purchased the travel trailer from forgot to install ANY controller in my truck. (I am completely ignorant of brake controllers and I assumed that the harness that came from the camper and plugged into my hitch was all I needed.)



The dealer is a very reputable outfit and I do sincerely believe it was an honest mistake on their part. It could have been a very costly mistake, but I made it home safely so I am now focusing on getting my truck "right."



I picked up a universal break controller from Auto Zone for $80.00. The salesman who sold me the camper is mailing me the harness that should allow me to connect the brake controller to my truck. (I hope!) Worst case scenario I will have a mechanic install my brake controller.



I have to say, my Titan pulled the camper extremely well. Especially considering the fact that I had absolutely no brakes, and my current rotors have over 86,000 miles on them.



Thanks again for the info. I'll keep you posted with my progress.
 

krh2

Administrator
[quote name='George K' timestamp='1301370550' post='160372']

Thanks.



Actually, the dealer whom I purchased the travel trailer from forgot to install ANY controller in my truck. (I am completely ignorant of brake controllers and I assumed that the harness that came from the camper and plugged into my hitch was all I needed.)



The dealer is a very reputable outfit and I do sincerely believe it was an honest mistake on their part. It could have been a very costly mistake, but I made it home safely so I am now focusing on getting my truck "right."



I picked up a universal break controller from Auto Zone for $80.00. The salesman who sold me the camper is mailing me the harness that should allow me to connect the brake controller to my truck. (I hope!) Worst case scenario I will have a mechanic install my brake controller.



I have to say, my Titan pulled the camper extremely well. Especially considering the fact that I had absolutely no brakes, and my current rotors have over 86,000 miles on them.



Thanks again for the info. I'll keep you posted with my progress.

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Forget all that. Go to a local RV store n buy a Prodigy w the. Nissan harness. Find the wire loom under your dash, plug it in, mount it n b done. Dont trust them w an "import"..did mine alone. Pm me n u can call me. I have lots o pics etc if u havnt found em yet.



Kev
 

George K

New Member
I think that makes the most sense.



I will contact my dealer about the prodigy brake controller. I want to make sure that I get this right the first time around.



I want to enjoy my summer camping, not worried about brakes, etc. I must admit, have developed a deeper appreciation for my truck through all of this. I owned a Chevy Silverado prior to the purchase of my Titan and I am a "Chevy Man" who comes from a Chevy driving family. I cheered for the Intimidator and I still like "Little E" even though he has not had much success. In know way would I have even considered pulling the camper home w/o trailer brakes had I been driving my Silverado. I loved the interior finish of my other truck but my Nissan has truly given me great service. My brother bought/owned an old Nissan "Hard body" that he used for work prior to my purchase and he had placed over 245,000 on his truck. His truck was still going strong when he sold it. (Trust me, if my brother can drive anything for 245,000 miles it's gotta be good.)



I must say, this forum has been very helpful thus far. Devil Dawg reminds me of many of my Trooper buddies. (They love to play devil's advocate to see where a person truly "stands.") I love a good debate. So...needless to say, he didn't scare me off.



Talk to you soon
 
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