Bush Returns To Iraq ~!!!~

honeykeeper

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[quote name='mcginkleschmidt' post='136841' date='Dec 16 2008, 10:35 AM']Good grief Keeper, where have you been for the last couple of days, this is old news! I guess it takes a little while to pipe the news back into the hills where you live! <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />[/quote]

Yes but the laugh still lingers!....... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />
 

honeykeeper

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Will he or won't he get in trouble <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/018.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' /> or awarded?.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/016.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081216/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq



Official: Shoe-thrower in Iraqi judicial custody



BAGHDAD – The journalist who threw his shoes at President George W. Bush was handed over to the Iraqi judiciary, an Iraqi official said Tuesday, a move that ordinarily signals the start of criminal proceedings.

Hundreds took to the streets Tuesday for a second day to demand the release of Muntadhar al-Zeidi, who gained folk hero status when he hurled both his shoes at Bush during a news conference Sunday in Baghdad.




Al-Zeidi was initially held by the prime minister's guards and later turned over to the Iraqi army's Baghdad command. The command, in turn, handed him over to the judiciary, the official said on condition of anonymity because he wasn't supposed to release the information.

The official would not elaborate, but referring the case to the judiciary usually signals the beginning of a lengthy process that could end in a criminal trial. Cases referred to the judiciary are given to a judge who reviews the evidence and recommends whether to hold a trial or release the defendant.

Another panel then sets a trial date and appoints judges to hear the case. The process can take months.

Earlier, Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Abdul-Karim Khalaf said al-Zeidi could face charges of insulting a foreign leader and the Iraqi prime minister, who was standing next to Bush when the shoes were thrown. The offense carries a maximum penalty of two years in jail.

Many Iraqis, however, believe al-Zeidi was a hero for insulting an American president widely blamed for the chaos that has engulfed their country since the U.S.-led invasion of 2003.

In Mosul, Iraq's third-largest city, located north of Baghdad, an estimated 1,000 protesters carried banners and chanted slogans demanding al-Zeidi's release.

A couple of hundred more also protested Tuesday in Nasiriyah, a Shiite city about 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, and Fallujah, a Sunni area west of the capital.

"Muntadhar al-Zeidi has expressed the feelings and ambitions of the Iraqi people toward the symbol of tyranny," said Nassar Afrawi, a protester in Nasiriyah.

In Baghdad, Noureddin al-Hiyali, a lawmaker of the main Sunni bloc in parliament, defended al-Zeidi's actions and said he believed the reporter was likely motivated by the invasion of Iraq, the "dismantling of the Iraqi government, destroying the infrastructure," — all events he blamed on the Bush administration.




"International law approves peoples' right to resist occupation using all means and Mr. Muntadhar al-Zeidi endeavored to resist occupation in his own manner," al-Hiyali said.

He urged the government to take that into consideration when deciding what to do with al-Zeidi.

The head of the Iraqi Union of Journalists described al-Zeidi's action as "strange and unprofessional" but urged Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to give him clemency.

"Even if he has committed a mistake, the government and the judiciary are broad-minded and we hope they consider his release because he has a family and he is still young," Mouyyad al-Lami told AP Television News. "We hope this case ends before going to court."

The perception of al-Zeidi as a hero reflects Arab animosity toward Bush for the 2003 invasion of Iraq and dissatisfaction with the president's handling of foreign policy matters in the Middle East.

That hostility has persisted even though violence has dropped by more than 80 percent in Iraq since earlier this year when car bombings and gunfights throughout the country were rampant.

Nevertheless, Iraqi security forces and U.S. troops continue to be targeted by insurgents.

On Tuesday, three bombings in Baghdad and another in the north killed four people and wounded at least 30.

Two police and two civilians were killed by a roadside bomb near Baghdad's Technical University and 13 other people were wounded, police said.

A car bomb near the city's Babylon Hotel wounded three people, including a security guard. The bomb went off as a convoy from the ministry of science went by, but the minister was not in the vehicles, police said.

Three police and three civilians were wounded by a roadside bomb directed at a police patrol near central Baghdad's Andalus Square, police said. Another roadside bomb against a police patrol near Saadiya in Diyala province wounded five police and three other people, Diyala security officials said.

The U.S. military said in a written statement that troops killed three suspected insurgents and detained three others in separate operations targeting al-Qaida networks in northern Iraq.

Also Tuesday, the U.S. military announced it had transferred the last 10 female detainees in its custody in Iraq to the authorities the day before.

A U.S. statement said the women have either been convicted of a security-related offense or are due to stand trial in the Central Criminal Court of Iraq.

The U.S. still holds about 15,500 detainees, down dramatically from the high of about 26,000 in November 2007.

The U.S.-Iraqi security agreement that goes into effect next month requires the U.S. to hand over detainees wanted by the Iraqis and release the rest.
 

ss350z

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George still has the moves. He ducked that shoe no problem. I was waiting for him to say "lets go, what else ya got"
 

ttammunek04

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Now what would have been funny, was if he caught it and threw it back at the Iraqi and knocked him out. I've heard that karate schools around my area are now practicing a new form of karate. It's called "BUSH-FU". One of the funnier moments that I will remember for a long time.
 

honeykeeper

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I hear al-Zeidi is trying out for the Iraqi "National Shoe Throwing" team....he should be the Captain no questions! lol.. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/006.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/003.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt003' />



[quote name='ss350z' post='136850' date='Dec 16 2008, 01:54 PM']George still has the moves. He ducked that shoe no problem. I was waiting for him to say "lets go, what else ya got"[/quote]

We'll see how well he can duck when the "real trials" start and the tables are turned.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />
 

scottsbro23

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It would have been awesome if he would have reached down pulled off one of his Boots and knocked that effer out.
 

DevilDawg

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First thing you had to do when you saw this hit the news was ask yourself, "What kind of snatch throws a shoe?" See attached gif.



Then you think to yourself of the conditions one experiences trying to "drop the kids at the pool" while there. There is a open hole you hunch over to chunk-a-duecew while in country. Highly sanitary I promise. There is all sorts of niceties that get on your shoes. You are considered almost hangable for sittign with the soles of your shoes Facing the person you are talking to. So in effect tossing ones shoes is about the same as tossing grenades or shots at a person. This was highly unjustified, and I find it reprehesnsible that you find this to be entertaining. This was in fact an affront to your country and it's highest office. You should be embarrassed not clapping. Put your hatred aside for GWB for a minute and recognize that you have just been slapped.



FYI.. The guy you like for this is now tied to known terror leader. Good job supporting yet another one.



Nuanced Views on Muntader the Shoe Thrower





The New York Times's Baghdad Bureau Blog does a good job of rounding up opinions of Iraqis on yesterday's shoe-throwing incident by an Iraqi "journalist" that targeted President Bush during a press briefing in Baghdad with Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki. Clearly there is a wide range of opinions by Iraqis on this incident. Some view it as an acceptable act of defiance, but many, even though they may not like President Bush, believe the incident was uncivilized, rude, and unprofessional for a journalist.



Scanning through this extensive compilation of quotes from Iraqi, I noticed something interesting. In a few cities, there was 'unanimous' support for the shoe-throwing. This was odd, based on the wide range of views expressed. Why were views in some cities uniform?



I decided to look a little closer at Najaf, one of these cities where there was a Sadrist demonstration in support of the "journalist." Interestingly enough, the first person quoted caused my antenna to perk up. Here is what the stringer from Najaf wrote:





"These demonstrators are refusing the president of evil as well as renewing their refusal of the [security] pact," said a man named Hazim Araji. "And we have coordinated such demonstrations in the whole of Iraq."





The name rung a bell. Well, it turns out Hazim Araji isn't just your average Iraqi "man." He is in fact a senior aide to Muqtada al Sadr. Araji organized today's protest in Najaf that called for the release of the shoe-throwing "journalist."



Why didn't the Times stringer point this out? Did the stringer ever leave the Sadrist protest in Najaf? Why didn't the Times's layers upon layers of editors catch this? Perhaps their editors should look a little closer at the stringers they are using in Iraq. Perhaps they are practicing the same form of "journalism" as the feted shoe-thrower.
 

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honeykeeper

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[quote name='DevilDawg' post='136893' date='Dec 17 2008, 12:53 PM']First thing you had to do when you saw this hit the news was ask yourself, "What kind of snatch throws a shoe?" See attached gif.



Then you think to yourself of the conditions one experiences trying to "drop the kids at the pool" while there. There is a open hole you hunch over to chunk-a-duecew while in country. Highly sanitary I promise. There is all sorts of niceties that get on your shoes. You are considered almost hangable for sittign with the soles of your shoes Facing the person you are talking to. So in effect tossing ones shoes is about the same as tossing grenades or shots at a person. This was highly unjustified, and I find it reprehesnsible that you find this to be entertaining. This was in fact an affront to your country and it's highest office. You should be embarrassed not clapping. Put your hatred aside for GWB for a minute and recognize that you have just been slapped.



FYI.. The guy you like for this is now tied to known terror leader. Good job supporting yet another one.



Nuanced Views on Muntader the Shoe Thrower





The New York Times's Baghdad Bureau Blog does a good job of rounding up opinions of Iraqis on yesterday's shoe-throwing incident by an Iraqi "journalist" that targeted President Bush during a press briefing in Baghdad with Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki. Clearly there is a wide range of opinions by Iraqis on this incident. Some view it as an acceptable act of defiance, but many, even though they may not like President Bush, believe the incident was uncivilized, rude, and unprofessional for a journalist.



Scanning through this extensive compilation of quotes from Iraqi, I noticed something interesting. In a few cities, there was 'unanimous' support for the shoe-throwing. This was odd, based on the wide range of views expressed. Why were views in some cities uniform?



I decided to look a little closer at Najaf, one of these cities where there was a Sadrist demonstration in support of the "journalist." Interestingly enough, the first person quoted caused my antenna to perk up. Here is what the stringer from Najaf wrote:





"These demonstrators are refusing the president of evil as well as renewing their refusal of the [security] pact," said a man named Hazim Araji. "And we have coordinated such demonstrations in the whole of Iraq."





The name rung a bell. Well, it turns out Hazim Araji isn't just your average Iraqi "man." He is in fact a senior aide to Muqtada al Sadr. Araji organized today's protest in Najaf that called for the release of the shoe-throwing "journalist."



Why didn't the Times stringer point this out? Did the stringer ever leave the Sadrist protest in Najaf? Why didn't the Times's layers upon layers of editors catch this? Perhaps their editors should look a little closer at the stringers they are using in Iraq. Perhaps they are practicing the same form of "journalism" as the feted shoe-thrower.[/quote]





Now you're going overboard!.......too much coffee this morning?... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/017.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' /> I don't think the guy is a terrorist or he would have a bomb in his shoe(s) or camera and blown himself up and everyone in the room to say the least.

Now this post which is a threat to our PRESIDENT ELECT I do find to be more of what you are talking about and should be "eliminated"... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' />

or do you agree with that too? <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/006.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />
 

DevilDawg

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[quote name='honeykeeper' post='136894' date='Dec 17 2008, 10:24 AM']Now you're going overboard!.......too much coffee this morning?... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/017.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' /> I don't think the guy is a terrorist or he would have a bomb in his shoe(s) or camera and blown himself up and everyone in the room to say the least.[/quote]



Do please try to read the enclosed article before posting. It shows how the NY Times used a stringer without even vetting the source. Found out that the main guy(s) pushing support for the shoe chunking terrorist work directly fo al Sadr, the de facto leader of AQ in Iraq usually from the safety Iran.



[quote name='honeykeeper' post='136894' date='Dec 17 2008, 10:24 AM']Now this post which is a threat to our PRESIDENT ELECT I do find to be more of what you are talking about and should be "eliminated"... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' />

or do you agree with that too? <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/006.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />[/quote]



Nope, no way to get onboard with this comment either. Not a fan of the man, and he is a one termer only, should he not be dragged down by all his cronies prior to finishing that term. He will indeed be dragged into a court room. Unlike the current POTUS who will be found to be one of the better in the last fifty years once history gets its way and the press is put out of business for not doing any actual reporting.
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='DevilDawg' post='136895' date='Dec 17 2008, 01:37 PM']Do please try to read the enclosed article before posting. It shows how the NY Times used a stringer without even vetting the source. Found out that the main guy(s) pushing support for the shoe chunking terrorist work directly fo al Sadr, the de facto leader of AQ in Iraq usually from the safety Iran.







Nope, no way to get onboard with this comment either. Not a fan of the man, and he is a one termer only, should he not be dragged down by all his cronies prior to finishing that term. He will indeed be dragged into a court room. Unlike the current POTUS who will be found to be one of the better in the last fifty years once history gets its way and the press is put out of business for not doing any actual reporting.[/quote]



Not one chance that one state or one country will agree with you in your wildest Zeitgeist dreams on that..the real history of the last 8 years is a known failure and fact that amounts to the next depression for the entire world.....the volumes of TRUTH and CONSEQUENCES will unfold.

Obama is the next JFK and it scares some but just the minority that can't open their eyes......SFW <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />
 

jdmartin

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It certainly seems to me that there's a double standard in Titanspot on these issues. There's a blurb at the top of the page that says "No disrespect to the President will be tolerated", yet people can openly state they hope he gets assassinated? Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service ends up visiting some of you, because I know of at least one guy who (jokingly) said something similar about Bush in a different car forum and got a visit from SS. Nevertheless, I think it's terrible that anyone would say that and, to me shows a lack of maturity and class. It's certainly no wonder to me that the US can't get it in gear with hatred that deep towards not only the P.E. but also the millions - and majority - of Americans that voted for him. I've come to the conclusion that people on both sides of the aisle don't want to see this country be successful, they want to be right. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and you've got people posting ridiculous statements about him. He may end up being a great president, or a total disaster, but the comments in this post about him are out of line IMO.



I've always voted in the Republican primaries, both ways in the election (though mostly Republicans), and it's lunacy that GWB will go down as anything but a failure on almost any account. I predict that history will adjudicate him one of the worst presidents of all time. He singlehandedly ruined the Republican Party's claim of fiscal sanity, gave a significant majority of seats back in both houses of Congress, the majority of governorships, and alienated the moderate wing of the GOP (like myself) that believes in true conservatism - meaning limited government all the way around, not on the issues you pick and choose (look up Barry Goldwater). Besides, you don't drag down an entire party in an election by being a popular guy <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/037.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />
 

honeykeeper

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[quote name='DevilDawg' post='136895' date='Dec 17 2008, 12:37 PM']Nope, no way to get onboard with this comment either. Not a fan of the man, and he is a one termer only, should he not be dragged down by all his cronies prior to finishing that term. He will indeed be dragged into a court room. Unlike the current POTUS who will be found to be one of the better in the last fifty years once history gets its way and the press is put out of business for not doing any actual reporting.[/quote]





Bye bye.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/006.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' /> .....

4. No person shall disrespect the President of the United States or the United States Armed Forces by name calling or character attacks. You are free to disagree with the President's decisions and policies, as well as state your disagreement, but disrespect toward the President (the person and the office) and/or the military will no longer be tolerated. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/011.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />





[quote name='DevilDawg' post='135259' date='Nov 5 2008, 08:28 AM']I will give the President elect the respect the office is due. I will also sit by and see if combined with the house, senate, and supreme courts the "people" wanted can move us forward.[/quote]



My how memory can be so short........ <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />
 

mcginkleschmidt

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[quote name='jdmartin' post='136903' date='Dec 17 2008, 04:07 PM']It certainly seems to me that there's a double standard in Titanspot on these issues. There's a blurb at the top of the page that says "No disrespect to the President will be tolerated", yet people can openly state they hope he gets assassinated? Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service ends up visiting some of you, because I know of at least one guy who (jokingly) said something similar about Bush in a different car forum and got a visit from SS. Nevertheless, I think it's terrible that anyone would say that and, to me shows a lack of maturity and class. It's certainly no wonder to me that the US can't get it in gear with hatred that deep towards not only the P.E. but also the millions - and majority - of Americans that voted for him. I've come to the conclusion that people on both sides of the aisle don't want to see this country be successful, they want to be right. The guy hasn't even taken office yet and you've got people posting ridiculous statements about him. He may end up being a great president, or a total disaster, but the comments in this post about him are out of line IMO.



I've always voted in the Republican primaries, both ways in the election (though mostly Republicans), and it's lunacy that GWB will go down as anything but a failure on almost any account. I predict that history will adjudicate him one of the worst presidents of all time. He singlehandedly ruined the Republican Party's claim of fiscal sanity, gave a significant majority of seats back in both houses of Congress, the majority of governorships, and alienated the moderate wing of the GOP (like myself) that believes in true conservatism - meaning limited government all the way around, not on the issues you pick and choose (look up Barry Goldwater). Besides, you don't drag down an entire party in an election by being a popular guy <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/037.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />[/quote]



I am in agreement with you JD on all points. Well stated! <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/023.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />







As JD stated, this statement could get you in trouble. Big brother is watching! <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' /> <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/005.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />
 

DevilDawg

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[quote name='honeykeeper' post='136904' date='Dec 17 2008, 12:14 PM']Bye bye.... <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/006.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt004' /> .....

4. No person shall disrespect the President of the United States or the United States Armed Forces by name calling or character attacks. You are free to disagree with the President's decisions and policies, as well as state your disagreement, but disrespect toward the President (the person and the office) and/or the military will no longer be tolerated. <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/011.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt006' />[/quote]





One has to actually be President of the United States, for this to be enforced. Letter of the law speaking wise. He is due some respect as incoming, but he is an unemployed mouthpiece as of now.





[quote name='honeykeeper' post='136904' date='Dec 17 2008, 12:14 PM']I will give the President elect the respect the office is due. I will also sit by and see if combined with the house, senate, and supreme courts the "people" wanted can move us forward.



My how memory can be so short........ <img src='http://www.titanspot.com/Titan/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/004.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smt005' />[/quote]



I am still waiting for it, I have zero memory issues or defects. Don't need any help remembering exactly what I said, thanks anyway. He is not in office yet, and is already being dragged closer to impeachment that your previous hero. Nope. Not bashing, but "Reap what you sow" is a real good statement here.
 
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